1/29/09 Pope continued; set-up for "Debating Women"

So far:

It's important to note that this tendency to suggest true order with normal rhymes and failing of priorities with comic rhymes is only a tendency, not a hard and fast structural principle. The majority of rhymes are neither normal, in the sense of being conventional, nor comic, so it's perhaps stretching things a bit to think that there is some precise progression in a series of rhymes. But at the very least one can say that Pope is adept at using the resources of the heroic couplet. Couplets implicitly pair things; a poet can therefore pair them in all seriousness, or parodically, linking things which really don't fit together. No one is better than Pope at moving back and forth effectively between these two modes.

Want to start where we left off, with the very closing speech. I'm not sure that we have a consensus on this section: clearly there is a lot of flattery in this section, and we don't think that is really sincere. But some us think that Pope is actually mocking Belinda--look at you, all you'll be known for is being the object of a satire--while others of us think that he is giving her more credit for being able to take the satire with a sense of good humor, and the flattery is primarily just 18th C courtesy.

Both the sylphs and the ascension of the lock into the lunar sphere are examples of mock epic form. The sylphs are parody of the "machinery" of the epic, the gods and goddesses that populate classical Greek and Roman epics; the ascention of the lock is a parody of the ascension of the epic hero into the heavens (but not up to the stars, where heroes go, but only to the lunar sphere). Want to move now to other examples of the mock epic form. How specifically does the parody of the epic form work?

What's the satire aimed at?

Set-up for "Debating Women"

What we'll do: I'll give some background, then we'll hold a mock debate between 18th C men and women.

background

Title of section, "Debating Women," refers both to a debate ABOUT women and to a debate BY women. Understanding this debate, then requires knowing something about :

The first, 18th C attitudes, are what we hope to figure out with this debate, so we'll leave this for the moment.

Social and economic conditions:

Despite all this, 18th C was also a period of profound change for women, especially for women with literary aspirations.

Debate on Tuesday:

Starting topic: what is the nature of women? May branch out from that starting question as the debate takes its course, but the subject should always be women and/or men's beliefs about women.

How do you want to split this up? Who gets men, who gets women?

Each side will points for accurately stating a position held by one of the writers we're reading. Specifically:

To prepare: